This is Derek a good mate of mine and his face tells the story,a monster Brown jack angrily went for a size 12 Hare And Copper nymph,and took the whole 100 meters of backing and then ran back down to us totally buggerd.Where did you say?Well in on of the best creeks in North Island of new zealand.He now lives in Derek's house up on the hill.A whopper 5.7 kg.